Sunday 19 July 2015

Excerpts from Bill Cosby's deposition

Bill Cosby spent four days answering lawyers' questions during a deposition in a lawsuit brought by Andrea Constand, a former Temple University employee who accused him of sexual assault. Excerpts from the questioning, which took place over two days in September 2005 and two days March 2006:

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Cosby talks about getting quaaludes from his doctor, now deceased, in Los Angeles in the 1970s. He said he was given about seven prescriptions for the depressant over two to three years for a sore back.

Q: Why didn't you ever take the quaaludes?

A: Because I used them.

Q: For what?

A: The same as a person would say, "Have a drink."

Q: You gave them to other people?

A: Yes.

Q: Did (the doctor) know when he gave you those prescriptions that you had no intention of taking them?

A: Yes.

Q: Did you believe at that time that it was illegal for you to dispense those drugs?

A: Yes.

Q: And you did it anyway; is that correct? You have to answer yes or no.

A: Why do I have to answer that? It's obvious. I just finished telling you I gave them.

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Q: You testified that he knew you were not going to take them. And I'd like to explain your answer. How did he know that, or why do you say he knew that?

A: What was happening at that time was that, that was quaaludes happen to be the drug that kids, young people were using to party with and there were times when I wanted to have them just in case.

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Cosby was asked about whether his interest in Constand for a romantic relationship meant he wanted to have sex with her.

Q: What does a romantic interest mean to you?

A: I don't know where you come from. Romance is a different word than sexual contact.

Q: What did you mean then by a romantic interest?

A: I don't mean sex.

Q: Well, I understand that you didn't have sexual intercourse.

A: I didn't say intercourse.

Q: I'm not implying that it was.

A: Why are you saying it then?

Q: Because I need to understand.

A: Please try to understand.

Q: I want to understand what you mean by having a romantic interest in someone who is not your wife.

A: I use the word — and because a person is not my wife, if I use the word romance, whether it's my wife or not, it does not mean sex. We can use the word sex when sex is there. I don't have a problem with that. But if you're trying to put words or inferences in my statements, I have a problem.

Q: You'll agree with me this romantic interest you had with Andrea led to sexual contact?

A: Yes.

Q: Now, having clarified that. So we understand that romantic interest would include some kind of sexual conduct?

A: No. I disagree with your putting words in my mouth. Every romance does not lead to sex. So, if you ask me if I agree, I have to disagree whether it's without my wife or with my wife.

Q: What do you mean when you said that you developed a romantic interest in Andrea the first time you saw her?

A: Romance in terms of steps that will lead to some kind of permission or no permission or how you go about getting to wherever you're going to wind up.

Q: Permission for what?

A: Any number of things. Whatever the two people want together.

Q: In a sexual context?

A: Doesn't necessarily mean sexual.

Q: Permission to do what?

A: Permission to do whatever the two people accept.

Q: Go fishing?

A: No. You're the fisher person. I'm not fishing. I'm trying to get you to make clarity before you put words in my mouth.

Q: I'm not putting words in your mouth.

A: You have done it. If they play it back, it's clear. I'm trying to explain to you my feelings.

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Cosby describes a several-minute sexual encounter with Constand.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission?

A: No. I've been saying that to the woman who's writing this up that I didn't. I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

The encounter stopped briefly and then restarted, according to Cosby. He says once it restarted it lasted "about four seconds."

A: And the reason why it's four seconds is because Andrea said to me either one of two words: stop, no. I pull back. ... And I take her, still feeling the glow, still feeling that the two of us are warm, not lovers, but warm. We've exchanged some kind of sexual feelings. I walk her out. She does not look angry. She does not say to me, "Don't ever do that again." She doesn't walk out with an attitude of a huff, because I think that I'm a pretty decent reader of people and their emotions in these romantic sexual things, whatever you want to call them. And she went out the door and went to the car. I said to Andrea, "Call me when you get home."

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According to one of the lawyers questioning Cosby, Constand cried during her testimony.

Q: When she sat here and cried, how did you feel?

A: When?

Q: Yesterday.

A: Please. You don't want me to answer that.

Q: Yes, I do.

A: No, you don't.

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Q: Tell me.

A: I think Andrea is a liar and I know she's a liar because I was there. I was there.

Culled from AP

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